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	<title>Comments on: How to bring a product to market, Part 2 — after product/market fit</title>
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	<description>Good advice for startups.</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sim</title>
		<link>http://venturehacks.com/articles/sean-ellis-interview-2/comment-page-1#comment-1575</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Sim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 09:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome article. It&#039;s painful to see startups that have coded in a cave for a couple years, never touching their customers. I&#039;ve seen friends in this stealth mode paranoia who&#039;ve ultimately launched something that no-one wanted.

As an engineer (and bit of a perfectionist) it took us three months to get the first Plug in SEO out. Short by some standards, but way too long. Since then we&#039;ve been releasing at least every two weeks with tangible benefits from the feedback loop it creates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome article. It&#8217;s painful to see startups that have coded in a cave for a couple years, never touching their customers. I&#8217;ve seen friends in this stealth mode paranoia who&#8217;ve ultimately launched something that no-one wanted.</p>
<p>As an engineer (and bit of a perfectionist) it took us three months to get the first Plug in SEO out. Short by some standards, but way too long. Since then we&#8217;ve been releasing at least every two weeks with tangible benefits from the feedback loop it creates.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Volpe</title>
		<link>http://venturehacks.com/articles/sean-ellis-interview-2/comment-page-1#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Volpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 23:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing!  The observations hit home based on my experience at HubSpot.  It does seem like there are some tradeoffs between making the product perfect, and capturing the attention of the market, especially in a case where the problem you are solving is to create one tool that brings together a number of tasks into one place.

Sean&#039;s advice seems perfect to companies with a narrowly focused product, like Dropbox.  I wonder if the right path changes at all for a company trying to create a new platform or more complicated system/product, like Salesforce.com.  I think Sean would probably say to delight customers with some smaller piece of functionality first and then build on top of that later to create something bigger.  I wonder if Benioff would agree?  Or is the right path in that case to message to the market about the whole solution and then build it like crazy even if the early customer have lower rates of &quot;love&quot; than what Sean like to see.  My gut tells me Benioff would have a different opinion, it would be cool to see a debate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing!  The observations hit home based on my experience at HubSpot.  It does seem like there are some tradeoffs between making the product perfect, and capturing the attention of the market, especially in a case where the problem you are solving is to create one tool that brings together a number of tasks into one place.</p>
<p>Sean&#8217;s advice seems perfect to companies with a narrowly focused product, like Dropbox.  I wonder if the right path changes at all for a company trying to create a new platform or more complicated system/product, like Salesforce.com.  I think Sean would probably say to delight customers with some smaller piece of functionality first and then build on top of that later to create something bigger.  I wonder if Benioff would agree?  Or is the right path in that case to message to the market about the whole solution and then build it like crazy even if the early customer have lower rates of &#8220;love&#8221; than what Sean like to see.  My gut tells me Benioff would have a different opinion, it would be cool to see a debate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nivi</title>
		<link>http://venturehacks.com/articles/sean-ellis-interview-2/comment-page-1#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator>Nivi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sean&#039;s general advice in enterprise sales is to charge from day one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sean&#8217;s general advice in enterprise sales is to charge from day one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean/Nivi,

That was a very useful interview.

Would you mind clarifying how you get the initial customer base to survey for market fit?

Our startup will provide a monthly subscription service to brick and mortar retailers. We are targeting one specific sector where we believe our product/service will initially work best. We&#039;ve been told by multiple prospective customers that our service is attractive so we think we&#039;ve passed that gate. The next step is to get customers using the service and it sounds as though you&#039;d say &quot;do it for free...just get the users and get real feedback.&quot; We and our Board of Advisors already feel that way, but the challenge is that each customer costs us $150 in on-site hardware so I want to think carefully about that.

I&#039;d appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean/Nivi,</p>
<p>That was a very useful interview.</p>
<p>Would you mind clarifying how you get the initial customer base to survey for market fit?</p>
<p>Our startup will provide a monthly subscription service to brick and mortar retailers. We are targeting one specific sector where we believe our product/service will initially work best. We&#8217;ve been told by multiple prospective customers that our service is attractive so we think we&#8217;ve passed that gate. The next step is to get customers using the service and it sounds as though you&#8217;d say &#8220;do it for free&#8230;just get the users and get real feedback.&#8221; We and our Board of Advisors already feel that way, but the challenge is that each customer costs us $150 in on-site hardware so I want to think carefully about that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://venturehacks.com/articles/sean-ellis-interview-2/comment-page-1#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Nivi!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Nivi!</p>
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		<title>By: Nivi</title>
		<link>http://venturehacks.com/articles/sean-ellis-interview-2/comment-page-1#comment-1570</link>
		<dc:creator>Nivi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabe, I think he answers your question in the quote you pulled out. If you&#039;re more effective/efficient on keyword ROI you can outbid the competition in the long run. But in the short run anyone can spend enough money to outbid you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabe, I think he answers your question in the quote you pulled out. If you&#8217;re more effective/efficient on keyword ROI you can outbid the competition in the long run. But in the short run anyone can spend enough money to outbid you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://venturehacks.com/articles/sean-ellis-interview-2/comment-page-1#comment-1569</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you explain a bit more behind the thinking behind keyword buying - specifically in regards to &quot;buy every related keyword&quot;? What exactly does that mean? Can&#039;t you just bid on keywords and can&#039;t a competitor simply bid on the same keywords that you&#039;ve bid? I confess I don&#039;t know a lot about Adwords so I know I&#039;m missing something. I just don&#039;t see how one builds a competitive moat using keywords that a competitor can easily bid on?

&quot;So partly what you want to do is just buy every related keyword, maxed out, and be very efficient on those keywords so that you can spend a lot more money on them acquiring users. So, the next guy can’t even consider spending keywords, so you’ve killed that channel for them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you explain a bit more behind the thinking behind keyword buying &#8211; specifically in regards to &#8220;buy every related keyword&#8221;? What exactly does that mean? Can&#8217;t you just bid on keywords and can&#8217;t a competitor simply bid on the same keywords that you&#8217;ve bid? I confess I don&#8217;t know a lot about Adwords so I know I&#8217;m missing something. I just don&#8217;t see how one builds a competitive moat using keywords that a competitor can easily bid on?</p>
<p>&#8220;So partly what you want to do is just buy every related keyword, maxed out, and be very efficient on those keywords so that you can spend a lot more money on them acquiring users. So, the next guy can’t even consider spending keywords, so you’ve killed that channel for them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Osuri</title>
		<link>http://venturehacks.com/articles/sean-ellis-interview-2/comment-page-1#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Osuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Interview. We launched http://gridbag.com along with an ad-words campaign with the sole purpose of determining our product/market fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Interview. We launched <a href="http://gridbag.com" rel="nofollow">http://gridbag.com</a> along with an ad-words campaign with the sole purpose of determining our product/market fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Kromer</title>
		<link>http://venturehacks.com/articles/sean-ellis-interview-2/comment-page-1#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan Kromer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sean,

Do you put any effort into optimizing (or perhaps a better word is reducing) the length of the sales cycle? How would you go about this?

Reason I ask is that I would imagine you can fund a lot of growth with short term debt instead of raising equity if you&#039;ve got the metrics to back it up and you can routinely turn over debt. I would also imagine this helps building up your corporate credit with financial institutions.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sean,</p>
<p>Do you put any effort into optimizing (or perhaps a better word is reducing) the length of the sales cycle? How would you go about this?</p>
<p>Reason I ask is that I would imagine you can fund a lot of growth with short term debt instead of raising equity if you&#8217;ve got the metrics to back it up and you can routinely turn over debt. I would also imagine this helps building up your corporate credit with financial institutions.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sean, I really appreciate it! It helps lots!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sean, I really appreciate it! It helps lots!</p>
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